NEW SEVEN WONDERS......

Subject: NEW SEVEN WONDERS...... Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:04 pm

Hi all .............................

whats ur take on the new seven wonders.????.....

u think is it worth voting for the Taj?????

or is this crap... afterall we know its actually one of the seven wonders in the world...

and voting doesnt really make a difference till the people actually feel for the monument[s] in the country and work in the direction of conserving them......

u think its enough to vote for it???

whats ur take????????

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ofcourse we should vote for the TAJ..it is not at all crap.on the same hand we indians should be more caring ,it is heart wrenching to see heritage sites turning into graffiti walls..people who distort monuments should be severley dealt with.

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The first and foremost thought that comes to mind is that voting (online) is neither costing us much (effort), nor can have any ugly fall-out.

The facts are straight. The Taj is a brilliant monument and many people know that. The more it finds itself in the limelight, the more it will stand to gain.

If it does not make it to the list, it won't become less popular. If it does, it shall only gain more prominence and that is inevitable. (Foreign) Tourism to Agra will go up and income from tourism will increase.

Thus, the only wise decision is to take out 5 minutes and vote!

Subject: Re: NEW SEVEN WONDERS...... Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:13 pm

i havent voted.....not being cynical or negative or discouraging...but i just zont feel fer it...i guess there r sum things happening around that i get plain indifferent to...i cant see wat ze fuss is all abt

Subject: Re: NEW SEVEN WONDERS...... Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:14 pm

I agree with Supriya... Plus I would rather choose monuments on the basis of its stucture, magnificence, era in which it was built etc etc and not simply because it belongs to my country. . .

Number of posts : 230 Age : 35 Registration date : 2007-06-11

See voting simply because the momunent belongs to youer country is can be tagged as emotional patriotism..and not logical or rational feeling for the conuntry............
I dint vote for the Taj, though it is a spectacular monument as stated by dhruvkh, but the feelijng from inside, the true feeling from the heart seriously did not emerge..........
still wondering why????? scratch

But at the end of the day, it is a democratic country and everyone has a right to uphold their views in true spirit!!!!!

Subject: Re: NEW SEVEN WONDERS...... Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:24 am

huuuhaaa...let ze spirit of freedom of expression of self carry on!

Number of posts : 230 Age : 35 Registration date : 2007-06-11

ohh it will surely carryy on with young ppl like us.the future seems bright!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very Happy

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i agree with supriya, swati and vineet and others who think voting alone doesnt make any difference....

it ought to be more than mere votes and hypocrisy when we say vote for the taj.[ not to offend anybody plz ]

the fact of the matter is until and unless we feel for our monuments; do ur bit in preserving them..... its all crap.

i think rather than spending the amount of resources/energy/time
on promoting the NEW 7 WONDERS .. they could have sensibly used it on the river Yamuna, flowing [ is it actually flowing???... all stagnant man...] near the Taj .. it would have been beneficial......

and as far as the tourism part of it goes.. as mentioned by dhruvsk....
if they """ they hit the bulls eye""" in the first place, such tactics wont be required.

Peace and Optimism-
Anukampa

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ohhh yes aptly put anukampa..........the yamuna water is seriously deteriorating and the standars are damn lowering gradually.
look there is no problem in igniting a patriotic feeling for the country by running such lkind of campaigns(though im personally aginst it) but on the other hand we need to back it by proper mangement of the existing momuments or natural resouces we have..the campaigns wont help a wee bit in improving the conditions of the monuments.............
do they?
any answers???????????

Number of posts : 159 Age : 36 Registration date : 2007-07-01

@Vineet
If it is purely about a fair vote and not simply an emotional one, then it wouldn't be all that bad to Vote but not include the taj in your list. It's about participation really, in a global event.
When I voted, I reviewed the nominations and selected those that I felt deserved to make it to the top.

@anukampa and Beautiful Soul
I agree that evoking emotional patriotism does not guarantee an effort on the part of the government or the people to maintain the monuments.
I don't know if it's just me but I find us indians a self-centered and complacent lot. We don't act unless we're provoked to in some way or the other or unless we stand to gain some benefit.

This is why I consider it most imperative to have a Global Eye on our most coveted monuments to ensure that they're preserved. Today, the most well preserved monuments are those listed by the Unesco as WH Sites. The rest are quite neglected.
Recently, a ?German? tourist gathered volunteers to clean up the Dal lake of plastics.. Such initiatives came from foreign hands who appreciate what we have within our borders more than we do. Thus, I consider them our saving grace..

I would consider that the New7Wonders can be regarded and received by us in 3 manners :-

1. An opporunity to "express our patriotism by voting for our pride" in which case it would be best to cast a vote.
2. An opportunity to be unprejudiced and select and vote for those monuments that one feels deserve the top 6 spots..
3. Absolute indifference whereby one can sit and point out the one million flaws in the event as an excuse for not participating..

I think Supriya was quite plain and honest and that is most appreciated.. And Vineet's stand as perceived by me was somewhat contradictory because he, on one hand, he asserts that he's indifferent and on the other, says he'd rather vote without bias.

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anukampagupta wrote:: voting alone doesnt make any difference....

the fact of the matter is until and unless we feel for our monuments; do ur bit in preserving them..... its all crap.

i think rather than spending the amount of resources/energy/time
on promoting the NEW 7 WONDERS .. they could have sensibly used it on the river Yamuna, flowing [ is it actually flowing???... all stagnant man...] near the Taj .. it would have been beneficial......

If we say that voting alone doesn't make any difference, then our effort should be towards first voting, and then performing what-so-ever-else would make a difference..
Not doing the latter and not doing the former either simply because it wouldn't make enough of a difference is not the right spirit.
That's equivalent to saying "We should vote in the elections because we have a right to elect our government but voting is not enough because first, we have to have credible candidates, thus I shan't vote at all."

Reasons for voting for the Taj can be :-
a) Because it belongs to our country and yada yada yada..

b) Because if it makes it to the top, little children watching the ceremony will tug at their parents' clothes and say "Mummy Mummy, what is the Taj?" or because an old couple in Austria would say "Oh! We've always wanted to see the Taj Mahal and now it's made it again as a Wonder of The World.. We must go to India on our next vacation.."

The latter may not come true but if there's a .00678% chance that it may and all that it's costing me is 5 minutes on the internet (as opposed to the 5 hours I spend on it otherwise), it's worth it.

As for feeling for our monuments and doing our bit, the larger question is, what is the larger bit can we do and how is it a substitute for voting?

The entire "spend on cleaning the yamuna instead" bit too is highly debatable.. I'll collect the stamina to address that at a later time..

Hmm.. This convo is quite interesting. Maybe I shall blog about it.
No offense meant to anyone.

Subject: Re: NEW SEVEN WONDERS...... Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:25 pm

well i dont think we should vote if we dont feel anyhting for the momument....just because its an indian monumnet and we are indians is no reason to vote for the taj....thats my take on it...

Number of posts : 80 Age : 36 Registration date : 2007-06-13

As wrote by Vaibhav:
1)
""3. Absolute indifference whereby one can sit and point out the one million flaws in the event as an excuse for not participating.."""

2)
As for feeling for our monuments and doing our bit, the larger question is, what is the larger bit can we do and how is it a substitute for voting?
ANSWER
The simple answer to ur question is :

I believe u r a first or a second year student.
what is it that u do usually after college,... i am sure u active into one of the societies or may be into some or the other activity...
if u really wish to make a difference why dont u add one more thing to your schedule...

why dont u start a new society in the college that works for conserving monuments.... build a team, gathrer momentum and then see if there's more that can be done.

And as far as the voting part of it goes.... voting can never substitute or complement to direct action unless ideal situation..

I never said that voting is wrong i simply said what is going to be the impact of that voting.

3) Because if it makes it to the top, little children watching the ceremony will tug at their parents' clothes and say "Mummy Mummy, what is the Taj?"

Answer Do u mean to say that isnt it otherwise a duty of any parent to tell their kids about the thing. This is where that we lack... initiative.
do u require such forums to feed anything for that matter to ur kids. well if thats the case then i am sorry.. we have lost it already....

4) Not doing the latter and not doing the former either simply because it wouldn't make enough of a difference is not the right spirit.
That's equivalent to saying "We should vote in the elections because we have a right to elect our government but voting is not enough because first, we have to have credible candidates, thus I shan't vote at all."

Answer

[color=black][color=red]well dhruvshk i shall not voteif i feel there arent credible candidates around. why should i ??? why should i if i feel that with that none deserve my vote. voting just for the heck of it. plz. no ways.
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dont have the patience to write more, speak to me if u wanna discuss.

Peace and optimism- anukampa.

[color:87eb=#000000:87eb]p.s. NO OFFENCES TO YOU.

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anukampagupta wrote:: well dhruvshk i shall not voteif
i feel there arent credible candidates around. why should i ??? why
should i if i feel that with that none deserve my vote. voting just for
the heck of it. plz. no ways.

Clearly, you misinterpret grossly..

If you have on one hand a candidate that has murder and many charges of
corruption on his track record and another who has only a few charges
of corruption on his record, neither are "credible" candidates.

Nonetheless, one is more credible than the other.

If a voter votes for candidate B over A, he/she is making a difference.. and not voting for the heck of it..

So you're not really making as much of a difference as you would if you
stood up for elections yourself but you are making a little bit of
difference by giving a leg up to a lesser tainted person..

You shouldn't tell yourself that just because you're not making enough of a difference, you shouldn't make even a little bit at all.. That again is equivalent to saying "I can't afford to donate 100 Rs. to a charity but since Rs. 10 would hardly make a difference, I won't donate any at all.."

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anukampagupta wrote:: 2) As for feeling for our monuments and doing our bit, the larger question is, what is the larger bit can we do and how is it a substitute for voting?
ANSWER
The simple answer to ur question is :

I believe u r a first or a second year student.
what is it that u do usually after college,... i am sure u active into one of the societies or may be into some or the other activity...
if u really wish to make a difference why dont u add one more thing to your schedule...

Right!
I'll be honest when I say that I don't think I am in a position to do much more at present than voting for the Taj and I feel that I'm doing my bit by casting my vote and it is my belief that if nothing else at present, this is the least I can do.

You on the other hand feel that voting is not good enough. So you come up with this plan that you believe will be an adequate substitue for not voting for the Taj. So as per your theory, you should be adding this extra activity to your schedule. So now I ask you.. are you (planning on) doing so?

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anukampagupta wrote:: 3) Because if it makes it to the top, little children watching the ceremony will tug at their parents' clothes and say "Mummy Mummy, what is the Taj?"

Answer Do u mean to say that isnt it otherwise a duty of any parent to tell their kids about the thing. This is where that we lack... initiative.
do u require such forums to feed anything for that matter to ur kids. well if thats the case then i am sorry.. we have lost it already....

Is it a duty of the parent to teach the child about all the wonders of the world?
Then I ask you, did your parents tell you about the Pyramid at Chechen Itza in Mexico? Or the Macchu Pichu in Peru? Or the Hagia Sophia in Turkey?
Was it not, according to you, their duty to tell you about them?

If not telling your child about hundreds of world heritage sites all over the world means lacking initiative, then I think too much of the world lacks initiative.

And if a child in Mexico or Guatemala comes to know about the Taj Mahal because it's flashed on his television screen instead of being told about it by his parents as a part of their duty that they forgot to perform, I say better late than never..

Number of posts : 80 Age : 36 Registration date : 2007-06-13

a wrong example for the wrong situation.

and still if get on to explaining... in the simplest of words then this is what i have to say:

i am not going to vote for someone who is supposedly more credible than any body else ... and y??? coz he is QUANTITATIVELY AND QUALITATIVELY A LITTLE LESS UMBLEMISHED.

NO COMPROSISES DOOD.
BLACK AND WHITE.
A YES OR NO.
IT CONCERNS ME, MY FUTURE...
I AM APPREHENSIVE OF LAYING IT IN ANY PERSONS HAND WHO IS TARNISHED , THE DEGREE OF THAT BE WHATSOEVER.

peace and optimism-
Anukampa.

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And as far as the initiative part of it goes or adding things to my schedules go.. then believe me i dont beat my own trumphet.

Good luck if u wish to contribute "in the real cause".
God Bless.

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And plz.... mind the word

ADEQUATE SUBSTITUTE.

U used it in the wrong context.

Number of posts : 159 Age : 36 Registration date : 2007-07-01

anukampagupta wrote:: U used it in the wrong context.

And why do you say so?

Number of posts : 4 Registration date : 2007-06-06

Hey Friends...
Its time to get together as citizens of this country.
Taj Mahal which was one of the seven wonders of the world now seems to be getting out of the list. All we can do as responsible citizens is vote for it.....
Besides the fact that Taj deserves to be one of the 7 wonders of the world its very important for our country's pride and also it attracts foreign tourists thus contributing to the country's economy....

And not to forget its importance to people in love after all its a symbol of love for centuries now and in a way has been a part of India's identity since times immemorial.

Lets make an effort, each vote counts so do vote for Taj and spread the word around.... After all Taj Mahal is not just about that century old beautiful structure its also about a real life story.... something that happened and deserves to be told....
To vote
sms TAJ to 4567

Number of posts : 50 Age : 36 Registration date : 2007-06-09

Hey people u all must b knowin dat today is the day for the declaration of seven wonders of the world.............

TAJ MAHAL is dere in the nomination list for the seven wonders of the world!!!!!!!!!!!!

We can all see dat how media and people are campaignin for TAJ so dat it gets into the seven wonders ..........people r goin personally and makin others to vote for TAJ n votes r bein gatherd frm all over India throu sms n pollin online n takin out rallies all over ...........

But now the issue here is whther does it really matters dat TAJ gettin into seven wonders of world ..............i mean dat do our TAJ really need recognisation throu seven wonders as v all now how beautiful n magnificant it is and it has already gained its position world wide and everyone knows dat is pride of India.........so how can it help TAJ by merely gettin into seven wonders of world..........

So give it a thought n decide.........WHETHER IT MATTERS OR NOT:?: Question

Subject: Re: NEW SEVEN WONDERS...... Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:15 pm

Yuvika..i think you havent't been following the posts in the blog and the general chat section...this topic has already been put forward by a lot of people here...

TAJ MAHAL is teh pride of INDIA...no doubt about that, but if it enters the seven wonders of the world, it's recognition will increase by leaps and bounds...it will ne recognised by the world..and hence, become the PRIDE OF the WORLD....

it isn't about whether it matters or not...what matters is the fact that 'if' at all taj becomes a memebr of the seven wonders of the world, it will not be just the recognition of a beautiful historical monument, but also teh recognition of india at the international level...an acceptance of indian heritage by the world, infact not just an acceptance..but acclaimation too...

also...can you imagine the increase in tourist revenue once the taj is up on the seven wonder list and what it can do to the foreign exchange reserves...

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well guys....CONGRATS..Our Taj is finaly there in the list...it's one of the seven wonders now..at the time of voting most of you thought it was crap..see it's not.. I dont understand why people are so disinterested...they are living in the world of delusion...when a foreigner visits our country we love to boast and if someone pokes fun we are there with our "swords" and "daggers"..but back home we love to critisise our own country..